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Why Nobody Can Match the iPad’s Price
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Chance Furlong
2011-02-20 19:25:53 UTC
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From Wired:

Cuss and discuss.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/02/ipad-price/

Why Nobody Can Match the iPad’s Price
By Brian X. Chen February 18, 2011 5:51 PM

When Steve Jobs introduced the iPad last January, the biggest surprise
wasn’t the actual product. (Many shrugged and called the iPad a “bigger
iPhone.”) It was the price: Just $500.

Nobody expected that number, perhaps because Apple has traditionally
aimed at the high end of the mobile computer market with MacBooks marked
$1,000 and up. And perhaps we were also thrown off because Apple execs
repeatedly told investors they couldn’t produce a $500 computer that
wasn’t a piece of junk.

But Apple did meet that price, and the iPad isn’t junk. The iPad is
still the first, and best-selling, product of its kind. Competitors,
meanwhile, are having trouble hitting that $500 sweet spot.

Motorola’s Xoom tablet is debuting in the United States with an $800
price tag. (To be fair, the most comparable iPad is $730 — but there’s
no $500 Xoom planned, and the lack of a low-end entry point will hurt
Motorola.) Samsung’s Galaxy Tab, with a relatively puny 7-inch screen,
costs $600 without a contract.

Why is it so hard to get to a lower starting price? And how was Apple
able to get there?

Jason Hiner of Tech Republic suggests it largely has to do with Apple’s
retail strategy. Apple now has 300 retail stores worldwide selling iPads
directly to customers. That’s advantageous, because if the iPad were
primarily sold at third-party retail stores, a big chunk of profit would
go to those retailers, Hiner reasons.

Apple has partnered with a few retail chains such as Best Buy and
Walmart, but those stores always seem to get a small number of units in
stock. Hiner rationalizes that the true purpose of these partnerships is
probably to help spread the marketing message, not so much to sell iPads.

“The company can swallow the bitter pill of hardly making any money from
iPad sales through its retail partners because it can feast off the fat
profits it makes when customers buy directly through its retail outlets
and the web store,” Hiner says. “However, companies like Motorola, HP,
and Samsung have to make all of their profit by selling their tablets
wholesale to retailer partners.”

The retail advantage is a reasonable theory, but Hiner neglects to
mention the high overhead costs that Apple must pay handsomely for each
of its 300 stores. To Hiner’s credit, Apple running its own stores does
present clear benefits: the customer outreach is enormous, and of
course, in Apple stores, Apple products don’t have to compete with
gadgets sold by rivals on other shelves.

But when we try to decipher why the iPad costs $500, we have to consider
the sum of all parts, not just the retail strategy.


Apple is the most vertically integrated company in the world. In
addition to operating its own retail chains, all Apple hardware and
software are designed in-house, and Apple also runs its own digital
content store, iTunes.

Designing in-house means Apple doesn’t have to pay licensing fees to
third parties to use their intellectual property. For instance, the A4
chip inside the iPad is based on technology developed and owned by Apple
(not Intel, AMD or Nvidia). The operating system is Apple’s own, not
something licensed from Microsoft or Google.

Why do you think Hewlett-Packard bought Palm to make the TouchPad? HP
wanted ownership of a mobile operating system in-house to take control
of its own mobile destiny and stop being so reliant on Microsoft (which,
to this day, doesn’t have a credible tablet strategy).

On the iTunes media platform, Apple takes a cut of each sale made
through each of its digital storefronts: the App Store, iBooks and
iTunes music and video. iBooks still has a long way to go before it’s
anywhere near as big as Amazon, but the App Store and iTunes are the
most successful digital media stores of their kind.

At the end of the day, the iPad might be worth well above $500 for all
we know. (Part estimates made by component analysts such as iSuppli
aren’t very useful because they fail to measure costs of R&D and other
factors.) It’s most likely that Apple can afford to absorb the costs of
producing and selling the iPad because of the tenacious ecosystem
backing it, and also because it has such tight oversight over every
aspect of the company to control price.

That’s what it all boils down to: ecosystems and control. Competitors
are struggling to match the $500 price point because they aren’t as
fully integrated as Apple, in terms of retail strategy, a digital
content market, hardware and software engineering — everything.

As Steve Jobs famously put it one day, “Apple is the last company in our
industry that creates the whole widget.” Competitors are having trouble
beating the iPad widget.
Joe Zeff
2011-02-20 21:02:12 UTC
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Post by Chance Furlong
Cuss and discuss.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/02/ipad-price/
Why Nobody Can Match the iPad’s Price By Brian X. Chen February 18, 2011
5:51 PM
This is cross-posted to a number of groups including a Windows XP support
group that has no interest in advocacy or flame-wars over different
operating systems. Clearly, you confuse members of comp.os.windows-xp
with people who give a shit. Please take us off of your cross-post list
until and unless you have something to say that's not completely off-
topic for us.
--
Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns:
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info
Proof that they're lusers who must die: they send spam saying "Restore
your sex life" even though they never told you to back it up.
Alan Baker
2011-02-21 01:35:25 UTC
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Post by Joe Zeff
Post by Chance Furlong
Cuss and discuss.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/02/ipad-price/
Why Nobody Can Match the iPad’s Price By Brian X. Chen February 18, 2011
5:51 PM
This is cross-posted to a number of groups including a Windows XP support
group that has no interest in advocacy or flame-wars over different
operating systems. Clearly, you confuse members of comp.os.windows-xp
with people who give a shit. Please take us off of your cross-post list
until and unless you have something to say that's not completely off-
topic for us.
Jeff:

I can't help but notice that you, yourself, didn't remove the groups you
feel are inappropriate for this thread.
--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
Joe Zeff
2011-02-21 02:27:29 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
I can't help but notice that you, yourself, didn't remove the groups you
feel are inappropriate for this thread.
First of all, you blithering, illiterate idiot, my name is not, never has
been and never will be "Jeff." If you can't be arsed to read my post
well enough to get my name right (or, more likely, don't give a damn) why
should I care what you think?

Second, I cross-posted the reply to make sure that the ID10T who posted
this blather would see it at least once. And, I see, you did exactly the
same thing you're complaining about me doing. Mr. Pot, may I introduce
Mr. Kettle?
--
Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns:
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info
"Top of the line" probably means "Top of the shelf", from where it
dropped to the floor before they send it off.
Alan Baker
2011-02-21 02:45:02 UTC
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Post by Joe Zeff
Post by Alan Baker
I can't help but notice that you, yourself, didn't remove the groups you
feel are inappropriate for this thread.
First of all, you blithering, illiterate idiot, my name is not, never has
been and never will be "Jeff." If you can't be arsed to read my post
well enough to get my name right (or, more likely, don't give a damn) why
should I care what you think?
Joe: calm yourself.

Joe-Zeff ==> Jeff in my head. Mea culpa.
Post by Joe Zeff
Second, I cross-posted the reply to make sure that the ID10T who posted
this blather would see it at least once. And, I see, you did exactly the
same thing you're complaining about me doing. Mr. Pot, may I introduce
Mr. Kettle?
1. He would see it in the group to which he habitually posts regardless
of whether or not you posted it to your own group, Joe.

2. I don't care whether it is cross-posted or not: you do. Hence, I have
no particular reason to remove those groups and since you are not a
regular poster in CSMA, I was doing what you claim to have done (made
sure you'd see my post)...

...but I actually put a little thought into the process.

HAND.
--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
Joe Zeff
2011-02-21 03:26:16 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Joe-Zeff ==> Jeff in my head. Mea culpa.
People have been giving me that same, lame, piss-poor excuse for not
bothering to read a person's name correctly for well over half a century
now. I've never considered it worth accepting because if you're literate
enough to post on UseNet, you're literate enough to get my name right.
Post by Alan Baker
...but I actually put a little thought into the process.
So did I. I decided after thinking it over that this was the best way to
make my point, because trimming the newsgroup list down to the one I
actually follow had never worked in the past and I've never seen the OP
post in that group for any other reason. Presumably, he doesn't follow
it so posting only there was a waste of time. This gave me the best
chance (other than emailing him) to get his attention.
--
Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns:
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info
My job obliges me to make at least one grammatical or spelling error per
article.
Clavicus Vile
2011-02-21 18:24:09 UTC
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Post by Joe Zeff
Post by Alan Baker
I can't help but notice that you, yourself, didn't remove the groups you
feel are inappropriate for this thread.
First of all, you blithering, illiterate idiot, my name is not, never has
been and never will be "Jeff." If you can't be arsed to read my post
well enough to get my name right (or, more likely, don't give a damn) why
should I care what you think?
Second, I cross-posted the reply to make sure that the ID10T who posted
this blather would see it at least once. And, I see, you did exactly the
same thing you're complaining about me doing. Mr. Pot, may I introduce
Mr. Kettle?
You misunderstand, Joe. Alan Baker is here to dictate his rules, not to
follow them.

LOLLERCOASTER
Post by Joe Zeff
--
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info
"Top of the line" probably means "Top of the shelf", from where it
dropped to the floor before they send it off.
Uncle Max
2011-02-21 13:52:21 UTC
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twat
Clavicus Vile
2011-02-21 19:48:42 UTC
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Post by Chance Furlong
Cuss and discuss.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/02/ipad-price/
(To be fair, the most comparable iPad is $730 —

If they were truly being fair, they'd admit there is no "comparable iPad"
for any price.

The iPad has no cameras and nowhere as much memory, and can't play Flash.
Alan Baker
2011-02-21 20:03:37 UTC
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Post by Clavicus Vile
Post by Chance Furlong
Cuss and discuss.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/02/ipad-price/
(To be fair, the most comparable iPad is $730 —
If they were truly being fair, they'd admit there is no "comparable iPad"
for any price.
The iPad has no cameras and nowhere as much memory, and can't play Flash.
And neither can the Xoom... ...yet.

But the promise it's coming...
--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
Clavicus Vile
2011-02-21 20:49:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Chance Furlong
Cuss and discuss.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/02/ipad-price/
(To be fair, the most comparable iPad is $730 -
If they were truly being fair, they'd admit there is no "comparable iPad"
for any price.
The iPad has no cameras and nowhere as much memory, and can't play Flash.
And neither can the Xoom... ...yet.
You really still think it's an April Fool joke, KDT?
Post by Alan Baker
But the promise it's coming...
Yet you fanbois are quoting a price for it as if it were being sold!

How stupid are you, KDT?

LOLLERCOASTER
Post by Alan Baker
--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix
with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin
on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
Alan Baker
2011-02-21 20:55:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Clavicus Vile
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Chance Furlong
Cuss and discuss.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/02/ipad-price/
(To be fair, the most comparable iPad is $730 -
If they were truly being fair, they'd admit there is no "comparable iPad"
for any price.
The iPad has no cameras and nowhere as much memory, and can't play Flash.
And neither can the Xoom... ...yet.
You really still think it's an April Fool joke, KDT?
No. I think that Motorola has announced that Flash won't be available on
the Xoom until spring.

"The Motorola Xoom is shipping this Thursday, and despite the nearness
of the tablet's arrival, a disappointing detail has slipped out just
before the launch. According to screen images on the Verizon Wireless
dedicated Xoom page, the device will ship without Adobe Flash. Instead,
the software is expected to arrive in spring."

<http://www.tabletpcreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2001&news=motorola+xoom
+adobe+flash+launch>
--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
Clavicus Vile
2011-02-21 21:31:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Clavicus Vile
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Chance Furlong
Cuss and discuss.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/02/ipad-price/
(To be fair, the most comparable iPad is $730 -
If they were truly being fair, they'd admit there is no "comparable iPad"
for any price.
The iPad has no cameras and nowhere as much memory, and can't play Flash.
And neither can the Xoom... ...yet.
You really still think it's an April Fool joke, KDT?
No. I think that Motorola has announced that Flash won't be available on
the Xoom until spring.
"The Motorola Xoom is shipping this Thursday, and despite the nearness
of the tablet's arrival, a disappointing detail has slipped out just
before the launch. According to screen images on the Verizon Wireless
dedicated Xoom page, the device will ship without Adobe Flash. Instead,
the software is expected to arrive in spring."
<http://www.tabletpcreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2001&news=motorola+xoom
+adobe+flash+launch>
Spring is March 21, even in Arkansas, KDT.

When is Flash expect to arrive on the iPad? How about the cameras? When
does the iPad get those?

LOLLERCOASTER
Post by Alan Baker
--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix
with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin
on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
Alan Baker
2011-02-21 21:34:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Clavicus Vile
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Clavicus Vile
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Chance Furlong
Cuss and discuss.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/02/ipad-price/
(To be fair, the most comparable iPad is $730 -
If they were truly being fair, they'd admit there is no "comparable iPad"
for any price.
The iPad has no cameras and nowhere as much memory, and can't play Flash.
And neither can the Xoom... ...yet.
You really still think it's an April Fool joke, KDT?
No. I think that Motorola has announced that Flash won't be available on
the Xoom until spring.
"The Motorola Xoom is shipping this Thursday, and despite the nearness
of the tablet's arrival, a disappointing detail has slipped out just
before the launch. According to screen images on the Verizon Wireless
dedicated Xoom page, the device will ship without Adobe Flash. Instead,
the software is expected to arrive in spring."
<http://www.tabletpcreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2001&news=motorola+xoom
+adobe+flash+launch>
Spring is March 21, even in Arkansas, KDT.
Spring is a season that is 3 months long that BEGINS on March 21, Edwin.
Post by Clavicus Vile
When is Flash expect to arrive on the iPad? How about the cameras? When
does the iPad get those?
I don't know. For Flash, I never expect it to get Flash at all.
--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
Clavicus Vile
2011-02-21 21:54:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Clavicus Vile
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Clavicus Vile
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Chance Furlong
Cuss and discuss.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/02/ipad-price/
(To be fair, the most comparable iPad is $730 -
If they were truly being fair, they'd admit there is no "comparable iPad"
for any price.
The iPad has no cameras and nowhere as much memory, and can't play Flash.
And neither can the Xoom... ...yet.
You really still think it's an April Fool joke, KDT?
No. I think that Motorola has announced that Flash won't be available on
the Xoom until spring.
"The Motorola Xoom is shipping this Thursday, and despite the nearness
of the tablet's arrival, a disappointing detail has slipped out just
before the launch. According to screen images on the Verizon Wireless
dedicated Xoom page, the device will ship without Adobe Flash. Instead,
the software is expected to arrive in spring."
<http://www.tabletpcreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2001&news=motorola+xoom
+adobe+flash+launch>
Spring is March 21, even in Arkansas, KDT.
Spring is a season that is 3 months long that BEGINS on March 21, Edwin.
Have a good time Googling up info about Spring, KDT?

LOLLERCOASTER
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Clavicus Vile
When is Flash expect to arrive on the iPad? How about the cameras?
When
does the iPad get those?
I don't know. For Flash, I never expect it to get Flash at all.
You can go ahead and pretend it's got Flash KDT. It's not like you're ever
going to buy one.

LOLLERCOASTER
Post by Alan Baker
--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix
with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin
on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
Lloyd Parsons
2011-02-21 22:51:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Clavicus Vile
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Clavicus Vile
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Chance Furlong
Cuss and discuss.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/02/ipad-price/
(To be fair, the most comparable iPad is $730 -
If they were truly being fair, they'd admit there is no "comparable iPad"
for any price.
The iPad has no cameras and nowhere as much memory, and can't play Flash.
And neither can the Xoom... ...yet.
You really still think it's an April Fool joke, KDT?
No. I think that Motorola has announced that Flash won't be available on
the Xoom until spring.
"The Motorola Xoom is shipping this Thursday, and despite the nearness
of the tablet's arrival, a disappointing detail has slipped out just
before the launch. According to screen images on the Verizon Wireless
dedicated Xoom page, the device will ship without Adobe Flash. Instead,
the software is expected to arrive in spring."
<http://www.tabletpcreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2001&news=motorola+xoom
+adobe+flash+launch>
Spring is March 21, even in Arkansas, KDT.
Yep, that's when it starts, but not when it ends. About a 4 month
window.
Post by Clavicus Vile
When is Flash expect to arrive on the iPad?
Hopefully never!

How about the cameras?

Probably next version, but I don't care about that much either.
--
Lloyd
Flint
2011-02-21 22:23:04 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
And neither can the Xoom... ...yet.
But the promise it's coming...
Enjoy that line until this Thursday....
Best Buy's flyer has the Xoom listed in it this week.

http://www.ismashphone.com/2011/02/bang-xoom-motos-android-tablet-hits-best-buy-this-thursday.html
--
MFB
Alan Baker
2011-02-21 23:37:01 UTC
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Post by Flint
Post by Alan Baker
And neither can the Xoom... ...yet.
But the promise it's coming...
Enjoy that line until this Thursday....
Best Buy's flyer has the Xoom listed in it this week.
http://www.ismashphone.com/2011/02/bang-xoom-motos-android-tablet-hits-best-bu
y-this-thursday.html
That won't make it have Flash at its release...
--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
Flint
2011-02-22 00:40:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Flint
Post by Alan Baker
And neither can the Xoom... ...yet.
But the promise it's coming...
Enjoy that line until this Thursday....
Best Buy's flyer has the Xoom listed in it this week.
http://www.ismashphone.com/2011/02/bang-xoom-motos-android-tablet-hits-best-bu
y-this-thursday.html
That won't make it have Flash at its release...
I'd bet it will have flash available for it before iPad2 arrives...
--
MFB
Alan Baker
2011-02-22 00:44:36 UTC
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Post by Flint
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Flint
Post by Alan Baker
And neither can the Xoom... ...yet.
But the promise it's coming...
Enjoy that line until this Thursday....
Best Buy's flyer has the Xoom listed in it this week.
http://www.ismashphone.com/2011/02/bang-xoom-motos-android-tablet-hits-best
-bu
y-this-thursday.html
That won't make it have Flash at its release...
I'd bet it will have flash available for it before iPad2 arrives...
What does the phrase "expected Spring 2011" suggest to you about its
actual arrival: last day of spring... ...a few days into summer...
...what?
--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
Flint
2011-02-22 09:11:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Flint
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Flint
Post by Alan Baker
And neither can the Xoom... ...yet.
But the promise it's coming...
Enjoy that line until this Thursday....
Best Buy's flyer has the Xoom listed in it this week.
http://www.ismashphone.com/2011/02/bang-xoom-motos-android-tablet-hits-best
-bu
y-this-thursday.html
That won't make it have Flash at its release...
I'd bet it will have flash available for it before iPad2 arrives...
What does the phrase "expected Spring 2011" suggest to you about its
actual arrival: last day of spring... ...a few days into summer...
...what?
And a >firm< date for iPad2 is...?
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MFB
Alan Baker
2011-02-22 09:21:02 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Flint
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Post by Flint
Post by Alan Baker
And neither can the Xoom... ...yet.
But the promise it's coming...
Enjoy that line until this Thursday....
Best Buy's flyer has the Xoom listed in it this week.
http://www.ismashphone.com/2011/02/bang-xoom-motos-android-tablet-hits-be
st
-bu
y-this-thursday.html
That won't make it have Flash at its release...
I'd bet it will have flash available for it before iPad2 arrives...
What does the phrase "expected Spring 2011" suggest to you about its
actual arrival: last day of spring... ...a few days into summer...
...what?
And a >firm< date for iPad2 is...?
What does that have to do with anything.

The Xoom -- for all the boasting about it -- isn't going to have Flash
when it ships.

It *might* get it by the end of spring, but would you really bet on it?
--
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"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
Flint
2011-02-22 09:30:23 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Flint
Post by Alan Baker
And neither can the Xoom... ...yet.
But the promise it's coming...
Enjoy that line until this Thursday....
Best Buy's flyer has the Xoom listed in it this week.
http://www.ismashphone.com/2011/02/bang-xoom-motos-android-tablet-hits-be
st
-bu
y-this-thursday.html
That won't make it have Flash at its release...
I'd bet it will have flash available for it before iPad2 arrives...
What does the phrase "expected Spring 2011" suggest to you about its
actual arrival: last day of spring... ...a few days into summer...
...what?
And a>firm< date for iPad2 is...?
What does that have to do with anything.
Since you responded to *my* statement about flash being available on a
Xoom before iPad2 arrives, I'd say my question has *everything* to do
with what I said.
Post by Alan Baker
The Xoom -- for all the boasting about it -- isn't going to have Flash
when it ships.
It *might* get it by the end of spring, but would you really bet on it?
I believe I already did.

As to what significance flash on a Xoom will have is another
discussion entirely. I just get tired of the "NIH syndrome" of Apple
fanboys constantly poo-pooing anything not made by Apple.
--
MFB
Alan Baker
2011-02-22 09:59:00 UTC
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Post by Flint
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Flint
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Flint
Post by Alan Baker
And neither can the Xoom... ...yet.
But the promise it's coming...
Enjoy that line until this Thursday....
Best Buy's flyer has the Xoom listed in it this week.
http://www.ismashphone.com/2011/02/bang-xoom-motos-android-tablet-hits-
be
st
-bu
y-this-thursday.html
That won't make it have Flash at its release...
I'd bet it will have flash available for it before iPad2 arrives...
What does the phrase "expected Spring 2011" suggest to you about its
actual arrival: last day of spring... ...a few days into summer...
...what?
And a>firm< date for iPad2 is...?
What does that have to do with anything.
Since you responded to *my* statement about flash being available on a
Xoom before iPad2 arrives, I'd say my question has *everything* to do
with what I said.
First you owe my an answer to my question...

...your whole thing about the iPad2 was a diversion from the subject at
hand.
Post by Flint
Post by Alan Baker
The Xoom -- for all the boasting about it -- isn't going to have Flash
when it ships.
It *might* get it by the end of spring, but would you really bet on it?
I believe I already did.
No. You ducked it.
Post by Flint
As to what significance flash on a Xoom will have is another
discussion entirely. I just get tired of the "NIH syndrome" of Apple
fanboys constantly poo-pooing anything not made by Apple.
LOL
--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
Flint
2011-02-22 14:26:55 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Flint
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Flint
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Flint
Post by Alan Baker
And neither can the Xoom... ...yet.
But the promise it's coming...
Enjoy that line until this Thursday....
Best Buy's flyer has the Xoom listed in it this week.
http://www.ismashphone.com/2011/02/bang-xoom-motos-android-tablet-hits-
be
st
-bu
y-this-thursday.html
That won't make it have Flash at its release...
I'd bet it will have flash available for it before iPad2 arrives...
What does the phrase "expected Spring 2011" suggest to you about its
actual arrival: last day of spring... ...a few days into summer...
...what?
While I don't really care to get as nit-picky and granular on just
what constitutes the definition of "spring" as trollish folk do, it is
a rather ambiguous and dependant on geographic locale/climate. This
is way I decided to bypass the nit-picky debate, and cut right to the
mustard with my comment about flash availability being before iPad2
arrives, since that is what seems to be all the chest thumping and
territorial line spraying is about.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Flint
Post by Alan Baker
And a>firm< date for iPad2 is...?
What does that have to do with anything.
Since you responded to *my* statement about flash being available on a
Xoom before iPad2 arrives, I'd say my question has *everything* to do
with what I said.
First you owe my an answer to my question...
I don't 'owe' you a blessed thing. I simply made a statement that
expressed my >opinion<.
Post by Alan Baker
...your whole thing about the iPad2 was a diversion from the subject at
hand.
Apparently, you are easily diverted then. Non-sequitur aside, it was
not a diversion, but rather a _counter_ to your negative, nay-saying
worst case assumption which is based on >no< evidence whatsoever.

If it is ok for you to make such assumptions on a product you haven't
seen yet, but is clearly in the retail chain as we speak, then
logically, iPad2 is just vaporware, yet you don't seen me nay-saying
and poo-pooing Apple products with such assumptions, do you?
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Flint
Post by Alan Baker
The Xoom -- for all the boasting about it -- isn't going to have Flash
when it ships.
It *might* get it by the end of spring, but would you really bet on it?
I believe I already did.
No. You ducked it.
I believe the very _first_ words of my statement were "I'd bet
that...", no? If anything, you seemed to have glossed right over what
I typed, rather than me ducking anything. I can't help if reading
comprehension is a problem for you.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Flint
As to what significance flash on a Xoom will have is another
discussion entirely. I just get tired of the "NIH syndrome" of Apple
fanboys constantly poo-pooing anything not made by Apple.
LOL
Perhaps you are admitting to being no different than any other
agitating troll, then? Just what is the significance of a Xoom not
having flash at launch, or until 'spring 2011', anyway? What is your
*point*?
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MFB
Ray Milne
2011-02-22 16:18:31 UTC
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May I enquire what this discussion has to do with os.windows-xp, or EVEN any
of the windows os groups.

Ray.

ps. I have removed the mac group from the list.

Flint
2011-02-21 22:28:33 UTC
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Post by Chance Furlong
Cuss and discuss.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/02/ipad-price/
Why Nobody Can Match the iPad’s Price
By Brian X. Chen February 18, 2011 5:51 PM
I don't know that the iPad can't be matched price-wise. I don't see
why one would want to simply match it anyway. And there are tablets
in the pipe now which will outperform it. Of course, Apple will
respond in kind - again, we consumers win.
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MFB
Steve Hayes
2011-02-22 00:34:59 UTC
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Why Nobody Can Match the iPad’s Price
If you want to know about REALLY cheap iPads, check:

http://methodius.blogspot.com/2011/02/cheap-ipads.html
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